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"<Now I believe you are ..... FACEBOOK..> you are really worried without tools to fighting....what have done by your factbook....anything can you show?
I have little destroyed people false emotional activities. prove is; you can continuing this thread till now....Last year it was 1000 more comments then deleted....now people are less acted as like you....its the outcomes of my FACTBOOK.....Come with your logic... I will be with you....Personal attacking has no creativity..."

"Tala Soren <do your scripture relate anything to santhal tradition and culture???> Why Santals are converting in to Sarna......It can say that converting in to different religions. This thread is revised version of Sreedam Hembram posted previous thread. Santals are more converting in to Christianity which recent statistics has been posted on Santals/Hor Group. Why Santals are converting? Is there any reason? I have tried little to finding the reason of converting, there are many reasons but scripture is one of that. You can check my previous posted in this thread where I have given a example of Kenya, what were the situation of Kenya... History show that there were so many Indigenous people who have no written script...when they got Bible's/Scripture's truth then they started to convert significantly.

Yes, Santals tradition's lacking is without script a religious activities. When people are converting in to Christianity, culture is also corrupted.....Scripture don't support that kind of culture which is more related with false religions.

"Tala Soren <<do that scripture relate anything to the santhal society?>> Yes, very much...here people are fighting for their believes. that believes are taken from scripture.....whole fighting is more related with scripture because the subject is depend on religious. Somebody trying to give idea of mythology, folktale and written religious script. and Many Santals are following the scripture. May be you could found the relation."

"Tala Soren <If I were blind,I wouldn't have critized you..and what scripture are you talking about?> May be you are not continuing the posts....go back the posts... you will find...which scripture I mentioned."

"<<Are you trying to tell people what you think is right ?>> Yeah, I have confident because nobody protect it by their logic and its my research evident. you can try it....but.. may be, you have need more time...I am giving time...."

"Amit Hembrom good, but I think, you have blindly criticize me. See... why I posted my view? when people asked me...this comment is same to Tala Soren.....If you have any logic or idea you can post it....you are not a superior or something....The thread is very much related in religions....can you remember the thread topic?.....I also criticized his (Sauna Charan Soren) ideology with my ideology....not personal viewing as like you....check your comments......May be you are more blind.. how much I think....Religion, what its depend on? your ideology or scripture?...Sauna Charan Soren is trying to imposed own ideology but I didn't...its not mine ideology...its taken from scripture...if you have ability...you can protect my ideology with something what you have...so don't pointing me...try to pointing the ideology and protect with logic....
International /online forum! there are so many forum who are always criticized by logic, not as like you....I am not priest...I am student...learning....if you have any opposite opinion you can post it...I will be learn...If there is any fertility? You didn't provide any fertile things....always trying to looking for the fault....so point out the fault..I will be correct...."

"You know, when a machine is created/made that time manufacturers are made a manual for the machine, if its get any trouble then the manual can help the troubleshooting.....
Same way, when man was created, what do you think, creator didn't provide the manual? How it can be possible, without manual a created thing!"

"Yeah, I think that Bible is the accurate manual for the human being."

‎"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ"
So I have to exam/study to identifying the True God, Is HE true GOD or False gods?
God said 'exam me' and see how much i blessing you."

"Tala Soren Thanks boeha and I think that I have needed more experiences and education which I have tried to acquire. I had a grammatical mistake in my previous post on pain, Sorry. Thanks again for nice suggestion."

"Without logic and debated nothing else created in this world. Just a Little example for ur poor mental & emotional part. Any theory, which are already established, at the beginning there were big debate then its established. watch your national assembly.
Without debating none can be establish anything in this world. Clear your brain to studying more...Then try to advice.
And remember that Gold can be perfect by burning. No any other way.
If you want to build anything, you have to break first.
Do you know what’s the meaning of Pray? And to whom you pray?
What you don't know, you can't say that do it.
Do you know what is the meaning of mental & emotional and its work?
What about healing?
"Debate can be sharp your brain". Its debate slogan may be you didn't join in any debate competition at your school. Learn first then try to advice. Little knowledge always shouting more.
I am still alive since start of Facebook and continuing debate. A broken pot sound more, but its good for nothing. This is 500mg capsule, if needed I will be serve you antibiotic.

Dear ...sharp yourself first then trying to notice others. I am not interested to talking about personal matter, but when someone trying to illogically pushing me, its leading me to do something. If you show me the gap of my logic, I will be appreciating you. You didn't but personally attacking me, its not fare."

"I don't want to conclude the debate. Let it be continuing.....Once moment...false emotion will be destroy....after destroying we will looking for way to new build....
Dear Tala Soren boeha, already I have defined about pain....actually I wanted to highlight; people are leading his life with so many emotional and physical pain in each of the moment on his life time. As a Santal I am facing new mental pain, i.e. I am carrying one surname among 12, but I can't intimate with other surname people who are my close relatives. Whats the problem? Every moment, its giving me big pain."

"Tala Soren Here given Definition with few example:
A sensation of physical discomfort, whether moderate or severe; also acute mental or emotional distress.

1. Because of exhausting labor in cultivating cursed ground,
2. injurious words,
3. the unresponsiveness of others to good,
4. disease and other adversities
5. humans have experienced mental, emotional, and physical pain.

Dreadful or frightening situations, whether real or visionary, have likewise given rise to pain."

"Tala Soren boeha, Logic against logic, not logic against muscles... Sukumar Hembram da'e ol jut́ akada.
I have mentioned to Amit Hembrom boeha's comments. He suggests me that stop....But didn't mention anything...why is I stop? He didn't give me any logic against me to stooping.... So I have mentioned him, if any logic can provide against on my opinion, he could post here......"

"Many people in this world are laughing, dancing, and sorrowing with his pain.....So what? You can do it......"

"Amit Hembrom, when people have no logic then fights with his muscles. Am I right?"

"INFO:
Christians and the World
Referring to those who had become his disciples, Jesus Christ prayed to God: “Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.” (John 17:17) Such ones would be sanctified, or set apart, for the purpose of serving God and making known his name and Kingdom. (Matthew 6:9, 10; 24:14) Although not the possession of all people, God’s truth is available as a free gift to all who seek it, whatever their nationality, race, or cultural background. The apostle Peter said: “I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.”—Acts 10:34, 35.

Christians share Bible truth with others but are not welcomed everywhere. Jesus warned: “People will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.” (Matthew 24:9) Commenting on this verse, Irish cleric John R. Cotter wrote in 1817: “Their [Christians’] endeavours to reform the lives of mankind by their preaching, so far from making the people feel grateful, would, in reality, cause them to hate and persecute the disciples for exposing their vices.” Such persecutors do not “accept the love of the truth that they might be saved.” For this reason, “God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.”—2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.

The apostle John admonishes Christians living in this hostile world: “Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. . . . Everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world.” (1 John 2:15, 16) In saying “everything,” John excludes nothing. For this reason we dare not cultivate a desire for anything this world has to offer that could divert us from the truth. Heeding John’s counsel will exert a powerful influence on our lives. How?"

"Many questions are drop out in these explanation and big questions are for human being, i.e 1) Why suffering/die? (Although we have expectation to live), 2) Is this meaning of life that Materialism and non-materialism? 3) Is there no hope for fulfilling the human being expectation?
And also so many asking dropped in between Life and death (material and non-material). Human being always expected the answer. When people get his satisfying answer then s/he turn in to the subject."

"ABOUT 450,000,000 people embrace the Hindu religion. Says Hindu philosopher Dr. S. Radhakrishnan: “Religion is not so much a revelation to be attained by us in faith as an effort to unveil the deepest layers of man’s being.” He adds: “Man, no doubt, is the measure of all things.”
No central body governs Hindu worshipers, nor is there a set form of worship. There is not any one book, such as the Bible, that is the source of their beliefs. Over the centuries a vast array of Hindu writings have appeared, and six different schools of Hindu philosophy have developed: Nyāya (analytical reasoning), Vaiśeshika (knowledge of physics), Sānkhya (synthesis of elements), Yoga (union with deity), Mīmāmsā (inquiry), and Vedānta (fulfillment of Veda).
These philosophies have been developed by various Hindu teachers at different times and stages in history, and each uses a different approach to worship. Nyāya, for its part, uses complicated systems of logic to prove God’s existence by inference (for example, inferring the reality of wind from the rustle of trees).
This approach obviously has some validity, inasmuch as the Bible similarly says: “For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.” (Romans 1:20) Nevertheless, can a system of logic really acquaint you with the Creator? Can such a system reveal what his name is? Can it explain the origin of the universe or why evil and suffering are permitted? Can it give you a satisfying hope for the future?"

"Kenya, dealing with the expansion of the churches in Africa, says: “There is no doubt that Christianity is extraordinarily successful here. Every year, 6 million new believers join the 180 million Christians who now make up about 40 percent of the continent’s population. Christians, outpacing their Moslem rivals, are making so many converts and raising so many children that Africa could contain the world’s biggest body of church members within 20 years.”
Even in communist lands like Russia and China, reports show that after decades of official atheism, religion still has a strong hold on the people. “It is estimated that up to 77 million Soviet citizens, out of a population of 267 million, consider themselves believers—mostly in the Russian Orthodox, Moslem, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Jewish and Lutheran faiths,” says U.S.News & World Report.
In China, besides the official count of some four million people who pack out the few churches that have been reopened since the late 1970’s, “there are between 25 and 50 million believers in house churches,” according to the China Church Research Center in Hong Kong. And a report from Peking appearing in New Zealand’s The Auckland Star says: “The official Chinese press describes the countryside of 800 million peasants as a macabre, medieval world where 30 years of communism have had virtually no impact on abiding folk religion.”
Clearly, then, even in the last quarter of the 20th century, there are still many religions around the world and they continue to exert a profound influence on the lives of millions of people.

Inevitably, the questions come to mind: Why are there so many religions? Throughout the world, what kind of fruitage have they produced? And, most importantly, how is all of this affecting each of us?"

"Many big fights were started with false reason. Modern Santals are trying to practice this kind of fight. Let it be continuing... after destruction...Rome will be built again."

"Logic should be fight with logic, not with person. Without good player game will be not enjoyable."

"History is not written newly, now history are inventing and correcting by scientific evidences. you people going to write new history (based on religions, races). wow...wow...wow"

"Rok ne ka jarurat nahi he....impeded rok chuke he."

"Dhal nai tolowar nai....Nidhiram sorder."

"There are so many mythology in all over the world, if all mythology was true, we have not need world History. And Historian will lose the job..... And dear Sauna Charan Soren boeha will assign as chief historian of all over the world. Let’s pray for him for the best places from backward community."

"Your topics are depending on myth or something?"

"<SARNAISM KO Oral tradition ke mutavik yeh jab manab ka janm huwa tab se creator ne bhi manobon ko kadam kadam pe samjha diya hai.> It has no evidence.
Can you answer.....
* Which civilization was first? Indian or Greek.
response me...."

"Raghunath Soren boeha, I am searching little about Sarna...but there is no evidences that this religions is mother religion in the sub-continent religious history. May be you are right but without evidence can we say that?
And added few...
Sarna is not Santal's religion, encyclopedia said. its oraon.....some other race's religions."

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Bitlaha= If you break the rule of Santal Social administration, you will be punished as BITLAHA.....

Punishment are as ;
a) you are reject from all activates of Santals culture.
b) No one will come to your social program
c) you are cut off from Santals villege, or separated from all.
d)......

Rules;
Mainly
1. Can't married with same surname
2. If you avoid the fellow Social people and doing anything against social rules.
3........................
(This are from my small experience)

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"Christian Santal culture re hõ Bitlaha do menaḱ gea."

"Baṅ boeha, ona do baṅ, usạra ol lạgit́ te Santal term iń used keda, ona hui koaḱ Santal culure, Social structure re Bitlaha menaḱ."

"Ramkrishna Hembram <<religion aaya kaisey bhai?>> Noa do sanam dhorom lạgit́ do bam mẽn daṛeaḱ. Iń okataḱ dhorom khoniń lại am kan, ona dhorom re do answer menaḱ. menkhan Santal ko oka dhorom lạgit ko doń gujuḱ kana, ona dhorom seć tem mẽn daṛeaḱ, noa katha do."

"Ramkrishna Hembram <<<pohley manushya aaya na pohley religion aaya aab yeh bataou,aur woh Bitlaha hua kaisey jee?????>>> Pạhil re do ho̠ṛ, São são te dhorom hõ, noa do christian leka te. ona te Isại koak cet́ rules noa do unku ṭhen. ar bithala ma Santal koaḱ."

"Ramkrishna Hembram <<religion aaya kaisey bhai?>> Noa do sanam dhorom lạgit́ do bam mẽn daṛeaḱ. Iń okataḱ dhorom khoniń lại am kan, ona dhorom re do answer menaḱ. menkhan Santal ko oka dhorom lạgit ko doń gujuḱ kana, ona dhorom seć tem mẽn daṛeaḱ, noa katha do."

"Ramkrishna Hembram <<religion aaya kaisey bhai?>> Noa do sanam dhorom lạgit́ do bam mẽn daṛeaḱ. Iń okataḱ dhorom khoniń lại am kan, ona dhorom re do answer menaḱ. menkhan Santal ko oka dhorom lạgit ko doń gujuḱ kana, ona dhorom seć tem mẽn daṛeaḱ, noa katha do."

"Okay this is not point.........Carry on for original thread....."

"Siddhant Hembrom If u r not social, u can do it, but remember, Santal society will be call u "BITLAHA" if u married same surname girl."

"So, you r not social?"

"Siddhant Hembrom Name of Society gives us rule, as a social person I have to perform. m i right?"

"you, me we are copy"

"Only check out the different surname.....society will approve you and me also.............ha ha ha....enjoy"

"Why not ???????????"

"You have all tools....go and get it.....world is uncovering.....you can find it easily....so...seat in the covered van.... you can't achieve anything.....good interest can be enjoyable by searching..... carry on bro....."

"Religion—How Did It Begin?
THE history of religion is as old as the history of man himself. That is what archaeologists and anthropologists tell us. Even among the most “primitive,” that is to say, undeveloped, civilizations, there is found evidence of worship of some form. In fact The New Encyclopedia Britannica says that “as far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious.”

Be continue.....to reading.......These are old question but continuing for new readers....be enjoy

Do you want to know origin of religion?"

"Man’s Origin
A recent study of the slow changes that have taken place in human DNA (the genetic blueprint of life) suggests that everyone alive today is the descendant of a single female ancestor, as the Bible clearly shows. Scientists from the University of California at Berkeley report that “calculations that might bring the entire human family tree back to one female are based on studies of DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, from the placentas of 147 humans from the United States, Europe, Africa, Australia and Asia,” says The New York Times."

"Iye to gabbar singh ban gaya. Ush ko mental hospital me bhej do, andar mey bhi kuch garbar he, andar se kuch nikal parega.
A frusted person can speech as like that."

"Andar kuch nahi he, ishi liye sorom nahi ati he."

"Ish mobile re ban nel nam eda. Okoi ko cho kicric ko tulet. Gapan nela. Chuli ka niche keya he."

"Sauna Charan Soren you are a also Sarna Santhal and minority as per beneficiary of ST. So, you are a like a Alien.
The above comments are referred by world history and encyclopedia.
N.B
a) If you are a not minority/backward, why you belongs ST/Reservation? (ST and reservation is for backward/minority)
b) Indian history of races, you have no trace, Why? you are carrying mythology or folktale as a history, Is this prove that you are not alien?
c) There is no name of the races as a Christian Santhal, so where you have got this?"

"Recent Statistics on Santal's Progressing in to Christianity. Censused by the missionary org.
Country....Pop...% Evan...% Adher...Prog... Religion.....Language
B.desh....5,85,000 ............10.04 %.. 3.2 ...Other/Small.. Bengali
Bhutan...2,200.....5.00%....10.00 %...3.1....Eth Religion...Santali
India.....81, 92,000...........3.63 %.....2.1....Hinduism......Santali
Nepal....71,000................6.40 %.....2.1....Hinduism......Santali
Totals: 4 Countries....88,50,000.........2.2.... Hinduism

* Prog= Progressing of converting in to Christianity
** Adher=Professing Christian
***Eth = Ethnic Religions
**** Evan= Evangelized
*****Pop= population of Santals

India:
Formative / Nominal Church
Less than 2% Evangelicals and
Greater than 5% Christian Adherents

2.1 % Very few, if any, known Evangelicals.
Professing Christians greater than 5%.
2.2 % Evangelicals greater than 0.01%, but less than or equal to 2%.
Professing Christians greater than 5%.

Nepal:
Same as India

Bangladesh:
Significant / Established Church
Greater than 2% Evangelicals

3.1 % Evangelicals greater than 2%, but less than or equal to 5%.
3.2 % Evangelicals greater than 5%.

Bhutan: as same of Bangladesh
Sources: http://www.joshuaproject.net/peoples.php?peo3=14743"

"Santal ṭheć khoć Hindu dhorom heć akana.
New experience about the history of Santal
whats the sources?
I didn't read before
Hinduism:
Some historians say that Hinduism had its roots over 3,500 years ago in a wave of migration that brought a pale-skinned, Aryan people down from the northwest into the Indus Valley, now located mainly in Pakistan and India. From there they spread into the Ganges River plains and across India. Some experts say that the religious ideas of the migrants were based on ancient Iranian and Babylonian teachings. One thread common to many cultures and also found in Hinduism is a flood legend."

"Sense? In that you may have been born a Catholic, a Protestant, a Hindu, a Taoist, or a Buddhist, Traditionalist because that was the religion of your parents. But suppose you had been born in another country or family. Perhaps you would now be fervently professing a different religion. Therefore,
1) is it logical to assume that the religion of your birth is automatically the true one?

Whether you were born into your religion or not, you may still feel that it is good enough for you.
a) But is right religion just a matter of personal opinion or taste?
b) Is that a reliable guideline?

Perhaps we can illustrate this with food. Ask a child to tell you which he prefers—a slice of cake or a dish of spinach. Most likely he will choose the cake. But
i) will that choice be the most nutritious?
Similarly, the fact that a religion appeals to your personal taste does not necessarily mean that it is the best for you spiritually.

Religion is not just a matter of subjective opinion. It involves the worship of God, so it must please him."

"Sauna Charan Soren <what is the originality of Santhal>
1. Whats the originality? Plz comments on this question..."

"Sauna Charan Soren <Sanam History le bodol lagit do, hapese thir koh pe>
Iń ma naw̃a history ol iń mẽn eda. Ona do
1. Santal ko do akoaḱ kusi leka te dhorom ko panja eda.
2. Santal ko mod re do a) christian, b) Hindu, c) Sari dhorom, d) Sarna dhorom, e) Doya Nondo dhorom ren hoṛ menaḱ koa.
3. Sanam dhorom reń hoṛ ko suluk te mit́ são te ko tãhen kana.
4. 12 paris ań hoṛ ko ge Santal men te ko lekhak kana."

"<Sanam History le bodol lagit do, hapese thir koh pe> Noa ma cinema renaḱ dialogue lekań ikạo ket. ........we are coming for change the History...hu hu hu ha ha ha he he he"

"Sarna is adapted
Christianity is adapted
Hindu is adapted
by Santals
There are no name of the Santals religions in world religions history.
So, there are no original religion of Santals and religions indication for Santals is secondary."